Musings on provacators , cognative or otherwise

Now if anyone is involved in any sort of group , you will have those that will disagree with what is being said, sometimes its just an honest disagreement , other times, it is by design and intent.
Cass Sunstein is President Obama’s Harvard Law School friend, and recently appointed Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs and has stated the following as a tactic:We suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity. this taken from the American pendulum blog site which has its own post on this subject here:http://www.americanpendulum.com/2010/01/cass-sunstein-seeks-cognitive-provocateurs/

Basically for those of us familiar with what the topic is , Internet trolls , be they group or government affiliated , that show up and try to make groups appear as they are not , as the article states they are easy to root out because they almost always say things counter to whats being said , alienating those in the groups , trying to waste time , change a stated goal , or just basically bring discredit on the group. no matter how often the group leadership trys to explain , or guide them back into the fold so to speak, usually what happens is , they are cut loose , made ineffective and leave with rants that , the group is usurping their constitutional rights to free speech , and are a plant themselves luring in unsuspecting patriots.
The thing they do fail to realize , is just because they have freedom of speech , the right to make anyone listen let alone agree with them or believe them , is not .

Some of the more complicated tactics i have seen involve not 1 but any number of provocateurs feeding off each other , sounding like a bunch of minah birds all agreeing with one another ,in an attempt to draw support , for what they are saying, sometimes it may work sometimes not , it depends entirely on how knowledgeable and how firmly others believe in what they themselves are there for. translated into goal , or mission solidarity and faith.
Now i have talked about the Internet aspect of this , because it tends to reach the most people the fastest, and it is complete as anonymous as anything could be , this also happens in person , withing groups , so a watchful eye , is always advised , and just as provocateurs are easy to spot online with a few well placed questions , they are also easy to find in person , they just may be alittle more cautious since the aspect of anyominity is stripped away.
So with all this in mind , i remember this one thing , "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS" eliminate them as soon as they are rooted out , you wont be sorry , what do you think?

Musings on the 17th Amendment

The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.
When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.


Prior to this amendment , the States Senators were chosen by the individual states legislatures, this amendment , changed that so that the people voted for the representation. and at first glance that would seem to be a good idea where as this Republic is of the people by the people and for the people, but if you compare what we have now , to what the founders had in place , you can see that someone lost some influence with this amendment.
In my view , as originally intended in the US Constitution , the people were suppose to be represented in the House of Representatives thus they have always had the vote there for their representation ,that's also the shortest term in government , 2 yrs , my view is the reasoning was , peoples opinions change sometimes quickly so they needed a way to have current representation, those members of the Senate , were intended to be representation for the States , to insure , that individual States rights were protected, Remember , then the Senators were chosen by the States legislature , whom in turn was also elected by the people so the people never really gained anything in being able to vote for state Senators since supposedly , they already had a say (vote) through their state representatives to the legislature.
What this amendment means to me , is that the responsibility for choosing any Senator was put back onto the people directly , instead of being answerable to a few legislators in State Government , it made the Senator answerable to everyone in the state. and from what i see it also made it more difficult to recall any representative that was going against the will of the people.
Now I will admit , as far as is this amendment good or bad , do I want to keep it or have it repealed , I'm on the fence with those questions. that's something I'm wondering about, since my entire life has been lived under it i have seen no other way it works so I honestly don't know, Now if the Founders , intended the Senate to be the protector of States rights in Congress , there must have been compelling reasons the People wanted to change the process, and that's something , i think needs to be looked at. whats your thoughts?

My Apologies for being lax in posting here.

Recently , i became a State forum moderator over at OathKeepers, and i have been busy, learning what that entails , subsiquently , this Blog suffered for my preoccupation. I still intent to keep blogging , but unfortunately , its going to be as i can , i will try to at least get 1 post a week in on things of interest and my thoughts.

Been taking some time off

I had some plumbing problems to attend to after the recent sub zero weather , and have been taking some time off , i hope those that have been following this blog have found some of the other blogs i follow as entertaining as i do , though there are many subjects i could be talking about , nothing at the moment is jumping out at me , demanding to be discussed, for this i apologize, but tomorrow is a new day and with it will come new things , lets see if something speaks to me.

Musings on how things look a year after the DHS right wing extremist report

Just under a year ago, the Department of homeland security released a report on right wing extremism in this nation and whom they are. The report i read is here:
http://moelane.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/hsa-rightwing-extremism-09-04-07.pdf and not long after that by about a month they also released a report entitled left wing extremism almost as an afterthought. The glaring difference of both reports , was in the methods both these reports said the sides would use, where the right wing side were supposedly going to resort to violence , the left wing side which i count the present administration as decidedly and biasely LEFT wing as well as anyone they employ in any departments , said the lefts mod us operandi would be of the more benign sort of cyber warfare, hacking and disruption of service , things basically annoying inconvenient and totally non violent, lets flash forward to a couple of Tea party demonstrations, we all remember the gentleman attacked selling Gadsden flags to the protesters by some union thugs , did anyone else hear that the same thing happened in Florida to a protester? That that person was also man handled and assaulted along with his wife? what about the implied threat of violence form the left ? never heard of that i bet., what about the blatant changing of schedules and venues to protect incumbant leftist Congress people, or seeding the audience with those to shout down legitimate questions? if they are allowed to speak at all.yes totally nonviolent right?
Right after , reading the DHS report i kind of simplified it down to the few needed points, i share them with you.
Right Wing Extremist as THEY (left wing morons) define it:
1. Anyone who did not vote for Chairman Obama.
2. Anyone who believes that America is not to blame for every sulphur fart that is let around the world.
3. Anyone who believes that the US Constitution supersedes the U N Charter.
4. Anyone who watches Fox News or listens to talk radio.
5. Anyone without their head 2 feet up Chairman Obama's poop chute.
6. Anyone who believes that church is a place to know, worship and serve God while bringing as many others as possible along; versus a community organizers platform to brainwash people with Black Liberation Theology, including racial and America hate.
7. Anyone who does not think that the MSM gets everything that they say as Divine guidance from the Bible.
8. Anyone who is sure that human reproduction would cease, as would civilization if homosexual practices become as normal as the left would like to see them.
9. Anyone who believes that racism is a 2 way street.
10. Anyone who believes that God created everything, He owns everything and that the concept of separation of Church and State has a totally pointless and futile meaning.
Any one of those things will land you on alist of Right wing extremists.

i think that pretty much sums up what I read in the report,and its kind of funny how none of the violence thus far committed has been done by those that it was predicted it would be done by. Of course , there are lone wolf actions in the past yr, but those can happen even in the best of times right?well even a blind squirrel gets lucky sometimes and finds a nut, that's how i feel about those self fulfilling prophecies from government agencies,and thats what i think they are hoping for, for their report to be made valid and someone some where , prove they didnt waste all that money and resourses compiling that report , our tax dollars at work folks. so what do you think?